Had 8 shorts 24-26” Tuesday in about an hour off CG. Ran very small umbrella rig with 4 oz derail on my Fluke rod with braid on Avet reel. Much more fun than wire. Went to 3 mile after the 8 and put 32” in the box on White shad umbrella on wire after 2 hours. Nice warm 60° day on the water in November. Can’t ask for more